Scotland -v- Ireland: Vote for your MOTM

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  irishAh, the Celts. 1001 ways to deafen us.

Take your fingers out of your ears long enough to vote for your MOTM.

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331 Responses to Scotland -v- Ireland: Vote for your MOTM

  1. Tovarishch says:

    Honestly don’t know where you got this from. Thought he was anonymous for most of it.

    Cats may well see very well in the dark but it means they have no visual acuity. North made the second most yards and beat 2 defenders. (Only Cuthbert beat him on those 2 statistics). Admittedly Ashton made 1 more yard, but in rather better conditions. Brown made a lot less.

  2. OnlyoneT says:

    @DCC

    This was well before Lamb turned up at the Saints.

    Ashton and Farrell are just doing what comes naturally, go into a bar in Wigan and you’ll always find someone chucking things at you and wanting a fight. Besides when did England fans become so precious and holier than thou, especially after a win?

    When Martin Johnson was knee dropping onto antipodeans i don’t remember people getting upset.

  3. Mrgreysuit says:

    @sag

    Hmm. How about now?

  4. yosoy says:

    I’m just not a fan of Gatlandball.

    Everyone will learn to love it. That or accept it.

    The Lions will play a nicer brand because they’ll have better players.

  5. Besides when did England fans become so precious and holier than thou, especially after a win?

    Yup.

    Fuck it. He’s a horrible dirty wigan bastard, but he’s our horrible dirty wigan bastard.

    Hope he keeps annoying everyone.

  6. sagmog says:

    When Martin Johnson was knee dropping onto antipodeans i don’t remember people getting upset.

    Because he’s not Nothern.
    Cat’s right, it’s racialism.

    (channelling my tyke birth today)

  7. lordcutgrass says:

    I agree about Heaslip at 8. Total leadership vacuum throughout the team but he is captain so has to carry the can for that.

    However, that shouldn’t detract from the shift he put in at 8. The coaching staff would have identified that Scotland are at the most dangerous from turnover ball and the Irish back row prevented Scotland from creating turnovers and put huge pressure on the Scottish breakdown, either forcing turnovers (including penalties) or ensured the Scottish half backs mainly had to live off slow ball which we kicked back at you. Heaslip and SOB were immense at this.

    Captaincy decisions, well thems the breaks. Had Ireland scored a try from one of the early kicks to the corner then he’d be getting praise. And had he opted for more kicks at goal and PJ missed those as well no doubt he’d be getting brickbats for exposing a young lad to even more pressure. Narrow margins, but as captain he will earn praise when he does well but at the same time has to take the criticism when it doesn’t go well.

    p.s. BOD’s worst game in an Ireland shirt? Manu stretching away as the form 13 for the Lions.

  8. Tovarishch says:

    Why is North nailed on for the Lions by the way? What’s he done in the last 9 months to suggest he’s worth the place?

    3rd highest try scorer in the Rabo helps.

  9. taffodane says:

    Who are the wingers in contention for the Lions?

    North,Cuthbert, Ashton, Brown, Maitland, Visser, Earls, Gilroy and Zebo,

    and they’ll take 3?

    Then you’ve got 1/2p covering, although I think he’ll start on the wing for the Lions with Hogg at FB

  10. yosoy says:

    3rd highest try scorer in the Rabo helps.

    Who are the top 2? Visser and someone?

  11. Mrgreysuit says:

    @sag

    OK, tried again. Says its uploaded and shared…

  12. Chekhovian says:

    I’m just not a fan of Gatlandball.

    Everyone will learn to love it. That or accept it.

    Resistance is futile, eh? Gatty is the Borg Queen and I claim my £5.

  13. 3rd highest try scorer in the Rabo helps.

    Not particularly, because Visser is ahead.

  14. sagmog says:

    @Mrgrey.
    Got it.
    Cheers.

  15. Wolfie says:

    ………sorry, bit late…

    @lordcutgrass 09.36

    Agree 100%

  16. yosoy says:

    Who are the wingers in contention for the Lions?

    North,Cuthbert, Ashton, Brown, Maitland, Visser, Earls, Gilroy and Zebo,

    and they’ll take 3?

    Then you’ve got 1/2p covering, although I think he’ll start on the wing for the Lions with Hogg at FB

    Yeah, I can’t see more than 3 out and out wingers being taken. 1/2p and Hogg are already on the plane, and I imagine one more fullback/winger.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if Brown got the last spot.

  17. Halfpenny has to go. Has to.

    Hogg’s been class, and I think Goode is quietly playing his own game under everyone’s radar, but Halfpenny has been head and shoulders above the slop served up by Wales’ backs in the first two games and looked good in the last one as well.

    I think he’ll be on the bench though.

  18. PlanetoftheChimps says:

    1/2p nailed on shirley

    Difficult to nail many other players on in the back 3.

    Hogg / Visser / Maitland not good enough, they’re going to SA with Scotland

  19. Hogg / Visser / Maitland not good enough, they’re going to SA with Scotland

    ‘sfunny how many other nations are deselecting their players from the Lions.

  20. taffodane says:

    Don’t understand your logic there yosoy, Wales have been playing Gatlandball for some time now with very good players who are more than suitable for the tactic. Introducing new players (not really that much better) and expecting them to get it backs up cats theory that WAG will select more Welsh players to fit into his tactics?

    Who would be the better players for Gatlandball?

    Manu?

  21. Karl1976 says:

    3rd highest try scorer in the Rabo helps.
    By that logic, Visser, Wade and Varndell make the plane before North then…

  22. Chekhovian says:

    Lions fullbacks – Hogg, Halfpenny, Brown

    Lions wings – Zebo (if fit), Maitland and one of Ashton/North/Visser

    Who to play in the centres is the biggest problem for me. Tuilagi a shoo in at 13, but who to play at 12? BOD hasn’t been great recently, and is better at 13 anyway. Twelvetrees would be a massive punt, Scott less so but still inexperienced and needs to see more ball. DCB is worthy but limited, Roberts in a similar position in that he has been defensive solid but doesn’t offer much going forward of late. Marshall’s too green (ha ha) and D’Arcy is just no.

  23. Varndell

    Yes please.

    Don’t mind him exposed to Howley.

  24. LarryM says:

    I agree about Heaslip at 8. Total leadership vacuum throughout the team but he is captain so has to carry the can for that.

    However, that shouldn’t detract from the shift he put in at 8. The coaching staff would have identified that Scotland are at the most dangerous from turnover ball and the Irish back row prevented Scotland from creating turnovers and put huge pressure on the Scottish breakdown, either forcing turnovers (including penalties) or ensured the Scottish half backs mainly had to live off slow ball which we kicked back at you. Heaslip and SOB were immense at this.

    Agree completely. Find it very strange that yesterday is seen as a game supporting Kelly Brown for a Lions starting spot. Scotland pack beasted in the loose.

    BOD’s worst game in an Ireland shirt?

    I thought he was pretty good. Should have had a try, took over the leadership by the end, and he defended at 13 in a match where we didn’t concede a single line break. Plus he’s always important to the breakdown (the one thing I’m really pleased about, especially as Scott Johnson said before the game he thought we were the best team in the Championship here and that Scotland had worked really hard to try and compete, and yet they still struggled).

  25. PlanetoftheChimps says:

    ‘‘sfunny how many other nations are deselecting their players from the Lions.’

    ‘sright. Anyone would think there’s a lack of confidence in the Gatland / Howley combo

  26. Who would be the better players for Gatlandball?

    Manu?

    Off the top of my head most of these are in the pack.

    Healy, for example.

    Manu defs. Brown at 15?

  27. taffodane says:

    Still don’t understand why SOB was running sideways from the back of rucks, it was clear 3 times. Was it a tactical move to draw defenders or had his radar gone. Made zero yards forward gain and the line was not broken?

  28. Chekhovian says:

    @Larry

    Yep, definitely think Ireland are the best breakdown team in the 6N. I knew we’d struggle in that area, and we got blown away in the first half especially. Our tactic seems to be to put one or two guys in at most to compete for the ball, and fan everyone else out across the field. Great to have more men on their feet to defend the next phase, but we’re gifting teams quick ball too easily. Which is bizarre when we have professional nuisance machines like Harley and Brown in the team.

    I don’t think Wales will pose the same breakdown skill, but we still have to up our game in this area.

  29. LarryM says:

    BOD hasn’t been great recently

    Hasn’t he? I’m pretty sure he was man-of-the-match against Wales, provided some of our best moments (few that there were) against England and again was one of our best players yesterday.

    In each of our games we’ve been great at the breakdown, he obviously helps here.

    BOD/Tuilagi is the obvious centre pairing, IMO.

    I’ve written a few times about what I think are misconceptions of what it is to attack as a centre pairing nowadays, and why they are a complimentary duo, despite both normally wearing 13. I’ve also said the number relates more to where you defend than where you attack, given the variety of ways teams do this nowadays. I see no reason they can’t defend together and, in that case, I’d put BOD at 13 as he’s as good as they come there. Tuilagi can play centrally in the 10-12-13 defensive unit, he’s great physically and the positioning is simpler at 12. Like I said, I’ve written it a few times and no-one seems to pay any attention, so I’ll save myself the bother again – suffice to say this is my two cents.

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