PooperScooper Friday 24th May

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As promised we are now providing the full match experience for those too lazy to go find out for themselves.

Just two matches this Friday.

Chiefs v Crusaders, Waikato Stadium, Hamilton
19:35 local, 07:35 GMT, 08:35 BST

Teams: http://www.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/match/170232.html

chiefs-crusaders

Melbourne Rebels v Waratahs, Melbourne Rectangular Stadium
19:40 local, 09:40 GMT, 10:40 BST

Teams: http://www.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/match/170233.html

rebels-tahs

If that isn’t enough useful information for you, here’s some more:

Links to streams:

http://www.koisports.com/

http://www.viplivesports.eu/

http://www.wiziwig.tv/index.php?part=sports

Obviously, the exact links for each match aren’t live yet, but these links will take you to nice places where you should be able to find all your rugby watching needs.

C’mon Berrick!

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719 Responses to PooperScooper Friday 24th May

  1. killerline says:

    @Larry are you setting up the ESPN or shall I son?

  2. ElSuavo says:

    @Larry, I doubt I am alone in rating Hill as a behemoth in his pomp. Easily 1 of the world’s best at the time, regardless of who was around him. He made mediocre performances by England immeasureably better. Best English flanker in the last 25 years, I reckon.

  3. utnapishtm says:

    I think that some of the 90s Bok flanks, outstanding in their way, will always lose out in these discussions as none of them ever got a real long run in the team (5+ seasons or so as undisputed 1st choice bok)

  4. yosoy says:

    the weird thing was, in the early 00s the ABs had a whole raft of ordinary players. Ireland
    Scotland and Wales never managed a win. England did but once IIRC

    I don’t know how good your memory is, but the Celtic nations took a fair while to get to grips with professionalism. Some of the crap that won a lot of caps back then wouldn’t get near the squads of today.

  5. sagmog says:

    As everyone else is obsessed with flankers (wannabe backs quite frankly, notice the other names for their positions, back rowers, wing forwards), it falls to me to say hello to UXB.
    Hello UXB, lightning drop-in.

  6. ElSuavo says:

    @Killer, don’t go confusing me with FD. We are not natural enemies & should look to those who are our natural enemies. (Not that I am a vindictive man, but I do hold a grudge…)

  7. killerline says:

    I don’t know how good your memory is, but the Celtic nations took a fair while to get to grips with professionalism. Some of the crap that won a lot of caps back then wouldn’t get near the squads of today.

    Oh Dog. England rode the onset of professionalism, won a world cup and now we’re doomed.

  8. Droptheclaw says:

    @HBH – saw your post, thanks a lot, I’ll get stuck into that.

    Francois Pienaar, great flanker that he was, only ever got 29 caps for SA. Mad. Once he fell out, he stayed fell out.

    I believe Montebello asked for some SuperBru help? Here you go:

    http://www.superbru.com/lions/pool.php?p=11078454
    Pool name: Art of Dominating Oz

    Pool code: muchalts

  9. LarryM says:

    @killer – I’m busy, but happy to do it later.

  10. ElSuavo says:

    @yosoy, pointless argument, mate. The difference between then & now means guys like Zinzan Brooke would hardly get a look in these days. Maybe I exaggerate, but it’s not just the celtic nations whose players of that era would fade into obscurity nowadays.

  11. RBJonah says:

    Hello psueds,

    The tv licence is a licence for the right to watch tv any tv. The fact that the gov uses this cash to fund the bbc is slightly irrelevant given we all know that the gov decided to remove funding from the bbc that would not mean a zero licence fee. Personally, I would like to see the licence fee funds to be open to all broadcasters for programes that inform, educate or are of cultural significance (I think perhaps itv and c4 already get some subsidy for news?).

  12. killerline says:

    @Laz I’ll do it.

  13. boanova says:

    England squad for the Baa Baas to be announced at 11 – it looks like there are 25 players available when you exclude those playing tomorrow, so only 2 miss out, I’m expecting

    Corbisiero Webber Wilson
    Launchbury Attwood
    Johnson Morgan Kvesic
    Wigglesworth Burns May Twelvetrees Joseph Wade Brown

    Marler Paice HenryThomas Myall Vunipola Haydn Thomas Eastmond
    with Eastmond covering 10-15 as there’s no other FH cover

    leaving Buchanan, Yarde and Strettle missing out

  14. Droptheclaw says:

    Good Dog. The Pseud’s Corner Pirate himself. How goes it, Jonah?

  15. boanova says:

    England did but once IIRC

    ahem, twice. It was a good decade for us.

  16. ElSuavo says:

    Bullshit denial of a try; defender taken out but several other defenders there to compensate.
    I fail to see why that was not a try.

  17. ElSuavo says:

    Oh that’s right, it’s the Crusaders. No try!

  18. yosoy says:

    @yosoy, pointless argument, mate. The difference between then & now means guys like
    Zinzan Brooke would hardly get a look in these days. Maybe I exaggerate, but it’s not just
    the celtic nations whose players of that era would fade into obscurity nowadays.

    For the Celtic nations and NZ, maybe. Not for England, or France.

  19. @Boa

    Agreed except that you’ve only got 7 on the bench. Either Yarde or Strettle would be the final one I guess.

  20. ElSuavo says:

    And the Chiefs score an undeniable try. Nice to see, backed themselves & didn’t take the kick. Chiefs 25 – 17 and, utna, Schwalger coming on…

  21. boanova says:

    APIP – so I do, those bastard Thomas’ confused me having to use both their names.

  22. elsnoopio says:

    @Claw

    Francois Pienaar, great flanker that he was, only ever got 29 caps for SA. Mad. Once he fell out, he stayed fell out.

    Didn’t his cap count get hurt by the apartheid era that meant the Boks didn’t play international rugby till he was 25 then after he fell out he moved to Saracens which made sure there was no chance of a recall?
    He was really only available to earn caps for a 4-5 year window.

  23. boanova says:

    No idea who Captains that team, mind. Wilson’s the most capped followed by Brown and Corbs. It would surprise me to see it given to Wigglesworth.

  24. boanova says:

    wouldn’t surprise me.

  25. hairbearhero says:

    Dear dog, time for this particular genre to die.

    Little unfair. S’just a shorthand to imply that it features a lot of the usual archetypes of fantasy novels. The fact that it does something interesting and unusual with those features is what makes it a good book. No different to any other genre.

    @Claw

    Would actually recommend anything by Daniel Abraham – his other, “breakthrough” series – The Long Price Quartet is absolutely stunning. Better than Dagger and Coin and probably better than Leviathan Wakes. Very slow burner though and a very unusual/original bit of worldbuilding, so it’s not for everybody.

  26. ElSuavo says:

    @yosoy, are you telling me that players from England & France in those days would be pushing for inclusion now? Either you seriously underrate the current England & France squads or you remember some outstanding players from that era that no-one else does.

  27. Deebee7 says:

    Snoop – Pienaar did fall foul of that, although there was also a lot less Test rugby around in those days for the Boks anyway. We were back in ’92 and Pienaar has the distinction of being the only Bok skipper to lose a series on home soil to the All Blacks. Some have never forgiven the stupid soft bastard him for that.

  28. yosoy says:

    @yosoy, are you telling me that players from England & France in those days would be
    pushing for inclusion now? Either you seriously underrate the current England & France
    squads or you remember some outstanding players from that era that no-one else does.

    From 02/03? Ask the English here who they’d like from 10 years ago.

  29. ElSuavo says:

    @Deebee, would that be the 1st AB’s tour of the republic that featured neutral refs? 🙂

  30. hairbearhero says:

    @yos

    I think there’s 2 different conversations going on – you’re talking about how countries handled early professionalism, others are talking about Zinzan-era players (which is late 80s, early 90s, no? Before my time)

  31. ElSuavo says:

    Chiefs, in the lead by 6, gain a very kickable penalty. Good-oh. Chiefs win!

  32. elsnoopio says:

    @Yosoy

    Johnson.
    Leonard.
    Hill.
    St Jonny.
    Robinson.

    Yeah, there are a few.
    Possibly Greenwood and Healey as well.

  33. Spankman says:

    BBC SPORT: Joe Lydon is appointed England’s new head of international player development, according to the Press Association.

    The former England attack coach will move to Twickenham from his current role as head of rugby at the Welsh Rugby Union.

    Lydon will manage the elite structure, which covers the England Saxons, age-grade teams, the Sevens programme and the national women’s teams.

  34. yosoy says:

    I think there’s 2 different conversations going on – you’re talking about how countries
    handled early professionalism, others are talking about Zinzan-era players (which is late
    80s, early 90s, no? Before my time)

    I thought it was early 2000s after I saw someone mention England beating the ABs twice.

  35. ElSuavo says:

    Yeah, but 02/03 was hardly the cusp of professionalism. Seems we were talking about different eras. Or is this the old argument that the ABs were professional years before it became official?
    The game was professional long before 02/03 in all the major playing nations.

  36. killerline says:

    ESPN Lions game

    Name: COR LEONIS, COR AUREOS
    Pin: 22803

    Winner gets bottle of Jura, prize is non-negotiable.

  37. Droptheclaw says:

    @Snoops – aye, but he only moved to England after he was fecked off the team in SA. Might have won a few more caps.

  38. boanova says:

    Johnson.
    Leonard.
    Hill.
    St Jonny.
    Robinson.

    Yeah, there are a few.
    Possibly Greenwood and Healey as well.

    Woodman, Lewsey, Dayglo and Vickery

  39. ElSuavo says:

    Hill. Maybe look at some others afterwards, but Hill.

  40. utnapishtm says:

    @boa
    killer already corrected my poor memory. sorry

    @yosoy

    no doubt you are right about Celtic nations in early pro era. my point however is more about ABs never being weak
    if you want more modern. Look at Messam, Thompson, Braid brothers,Masoe, Latimer, and the like
    all bit part ABs in the shadow of giants like McCaw Kaino or Collins who would doubtless be 1st choice were they available for selection by NH nation ( Incl France nowadays)

  41. ElSuavo says:

    Put Hill in the current England or Lions teams and it becomes a different ballgame. The others not so much.

  42. hairbearhero says:

    Was Woodman that good? My (very early) memories of him were that he was a punchy bastard who didn’t contribute much except in the scrums, but I’m probably wrong.

    Imagine what Greenwood could do with Manu. That’d be a hell of a pairing.

  43. yosoy says:


    The game was professional long before 02/03 in all the major playing nations.

    Oh aye, players have been paid for a long time, but in Wales they didn’t act like pro athletes until Hansen went mad copper on them.

  44. killerline says:

    Put Hill in the current England team

    *Looks wistfully into space*

  45. ElSuavo says:

    And utna brings the obverse view of the same discussion. Well done!

  46. ElSuavo says:

    You see, Killer, I knew we had a connection.

  47. utnapishtm says:

    Woodman was excellent.
    Never really rated Healey that highly. Wasnt he behind Cohen and Lewsey as wing for that team

  48. yosoy says:

    no doubt you are right about Celtic nations in early pro era. my point however is more
    about ABs never being weak
    if you want more modern. Look at Messam, Thompson, Braid brothers,Masoe, Latimer, and
    the like

    I’d agree, there’s never a weak ABs side. Even when they have not the strongest generationf players, they’re still very, very good compared to most of us.

  49. killerline says:

    Healey was a fantastic player, just cursed with versatility in an era we had first choicers everywhere.

  50. ElSuavo says:

    Gotta fucking work in the morning (Saturday). We have a stocktake & us office wallahs have to take part. I like how we get to mix with the warehouse people, but work on a Saturday just doesn’t seem right. Fucks with my Friday, for a start!

  51. Chekhovian says:

    @Killer

    My membership of the ESPN league is awaiting your approval.

  52. boanova says:

    Never really rated Healey that highly. Wasnt he behind Cohen and Lewsey as wing for that team

    Cohen and Robinson, and Balshaw to a degree, but being able to play SH and FH as well was quite handy.
    HBH – Woodman was a fabulous LH until his injury

    I would probably take Dayglo f in the Hill catagory for what he could do to this current England team, not a good a player, obviously, but the kind of ball carrier that we’ve been missing.

  53. hamnash1da says:

    Corbisiero Webber Wilson
    Launchbury Attwood
    Johnson Morgan Kvesic
    Wigglesworth Burns May Twelvetrees Joseph Wade Brown

    Not sure about Wilson, and there is already reasonable evidence that Wigglesworth does not represent the way forward at international level, but other than that – well, that is really quite a tasty side. I am particularly heartened to see SL prepared to throw caution to the wind with his 3/4 line; that lot can really step, shimmy and shift…

  54. MichaelVaughanMyLord says:

    Greenwood was seriously good, can’t think of a better English 12 in my lifetime.

    Johnson, Hill, Back, Dayglo – the hard b@stards this English side is seriously lacking. That pack never got beaten up.

    * Weeps *

  55. ElSuavo says:

    Fuck you , MVML, ruined my joke.

  56. elsnoopio says:

    @El_Suavo

    Put Hill in the current England or Lions teams and it becomes a different ballgame. The others not so much.

    Much as I rate Hill, and I do rate him extremely highly, I’d prefer Jonno back – quality as a player but also the leadership he brings is something I don’t think England are close to having. He made the right calls under pressure and had a seriously massive desire to win.

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